Howdy

[Frank]

May 27, 2010 10:08:38 GMT -5 normalphase said:

Summary of a *very* long post:

Miscellaneous clarification: confusion about Oredigger/Mahaloth is due to Ed not realizing Mahaloth is in the clan Lords of Chaos along with peeker/oredigger/skeez, which clan was named at some point as containing the day killer.

On himself: he's under the impression that peeker is driving the bandwagon against him and doesn't appear to know where the source of the information on him is coming from, but feels it is "too right on too many points" to be a fake-out. (What'd you give peeker for evidence, anyway?)

He believes that Sinjin is either HoC herself or is in a clan with one, based on how she mentioned the House win condition (I think this must be what you pointed out yourself from the public thread). He will shoot at her tonight.

His role claim is Karsa Orlong, Knight in Chains.

***** This is important, is this in your role PM, too? Need to check. "And remember, though you can claim to be clanned with anyone, should someone have the power to directly investigate your clan status, you will be revealed as unclanned to them." That sounds like it means Ulla is *not* HoC, because she does belong to two clans according to SisC. Misinterpretation somewhere? It's a bit ambiguous, with the bit later about counting toward a clan's four-member limit and all. Can you get that cleared up?

He stops after that; isn't pushing any course of action. Poor Skeez. I really did hope to work with him this game; I think he's terrific.

I'm going to post my role PM in its entirety to this board. I think that's the safest course of action. However, you are right, and the sentence in question does appear in my role PM, clearing Total of potentially being in the House. Also, I AM sure that I only count toward a Clan's limit if I actually "join" the Clan - talking privately to, and working with, an existing Clan won't affect that Clan's member limit.

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Skeez is willing to protect Ed tonight, which might be a very good solution, actually; it really only risks Skeez figuring out some angle by which to protect himself from the lynch, in which case he would presumably attempt to solidify our clan about him, which would be a mess.

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May 27, 2010 10:43:23 GMT -5 Frank said:

We should let skeez live toNight, if we can, actually. If he plans to shoot at sinjin, great! Either she dies, in which case she was a Member in Chains and her death is great news for us, or she lives, in which case she is not and we can trust her.

I'm going to take a risk and out myself to Ed. We need another representative out there.

OK.

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He's heeeere. Say hi, Ed, you're making me nervous.

[Frank]

Wait, Ed is here? How did he get the information?

Actually, I think we might be in trouble. I sent Ed a PM on the external board where our Clan meets. He read it, then logged off the board without responding a few minutes later. I think he may have gone to sell me out to whoever his other allies might be, which means this whole thing is about to fall down. I hope I'm wrong.

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I now see four people viewing.

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Or maybe that's the mods.

[normalphase]

From skeez:

More data:

Story is another one to look at, based on my research.

Peek has mentioned the non exclusivity win con of chains, and sinjin has also mentioned it.

Peek, Ed, Sinjin and Story are all in a clan together. Ed doesn't have chain powers or he wouldn't have risked the lie detector gambit. Peek has claimed day redirector, he wouldn't have claimed that unless he had the power to do it.

That means in my mind sinjin or story is chains. Ed has claimed that he handshaked with sinjin, but there is no way to know if she learned of the non-chains wincon before she handshaked ed.

Wrong, yet right.

[Frank]

From Ed:

Did sinjin clue you in to the fact that I was very suspicious of you?

You are too good of a player to have come in and voted for me when you did.

I wasn't sure that meant you were a Chain or the Master, but it made me suspcious of your intentions towards me. I could only imagine that you decided that you wanted me dead and then couldn't gather the votes to make it happen.

That you are actually a chain makes more sense. I only wished that I'd reached that conclusion.

Does your role PM have any indication that sinjin could have crrectly faked the following:

The number of times the words "the" "of" and "is" occur in the win condition? Knowing that our win condition is as Pleo stated and mentions the master of the Deck.

So, what are the options now?
1. I can reveal your status to Red and you two can kill each other. He's basically made the same offer to myself and a different group of people.
2. I can do nothing and let you kill Red
3. I could consult with nphase to decide what to do. (and maybe sinjin as well)
4. I could maintain suspicion that you are in fact, the Master, now able to claim Chain because I've given you a Chain PM.
5. argh.

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I've gotten a few PMs from Ed myself; I'm going all in on it and will explain the confusion you had about him as well as lay out the benefits for this alliance. Wish me luck.

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Done. I'm going out now, back in an hour or two.

[special]

I'm here, haven't read all of this thread, but wanted to comment.

I know story has suspicions of sinjin. When the clan roles come up, I have made the Clan of the Big Idot my primary clan. If it shows 2 clans, she cannot be a chain.

Additionally, Red has informed me that he will be attempting to kill sinjin toNight, and I've done nothing to dissuade him.

Sinjin may be protecting me or may be self-protecting toNight. I'm not certain which.

[Frank]

May 27, 2010 11:52:20 GMT -5 special said:

I'm here, haven't read all of this thread, but wanted to comment.

I know story has suspicions of sinjin. When the clan roles come up, I have made the Clan of the Big Idot my primary clan. If it shows 2 clans, she cannot be a chain.

Additionally, Red has informed me that he will be attempting to kill sinjin toNight, and I've done nothing to dissuade him.

Sinjin may be protecting me or may be self-protecting toNight. I'm not certain which.

If sinjin CAN self-protect, she cannot be a Chain. However, I received a PM on the main board indicating that she was protecting you (ed).

[special]

May 25, 2010 11:42:40 GMT -5 Frank said:

Ed has sent me a clarifying PM. His claims make somewhat more sense, now. Importantly, he can only investigate the T/F value of statements made directly to him by PM. Thus all of the stuff posted in the game thread is meaningless, as far as his power goes, and his power is sufficiently crippled that my suspicions of him have been somewhat allayed.

Unfortunately, my waffling is going to draw attention to me tomorrow. I'm going to have to do some very careful cementing of alliances in the next Day or so.

This is inaccurate. I can verify any claims made that I have access to. On a board, in a PM, in the game thread.

I can only verify 1 per Day, however.

[special]

May 27, 2010 12:00:42 GMT -5 Frank said:

May 27, 2010 11:52:20 GMT -5 special said:

I'm here, haven't read all of this thread, but wanted to comment.

I know story has suspicions of sinjin. When the clan roles come up, I have made the Clan of the Big Idot my primary clan. If it shows 2 clans, she cannot be a chain.

Additionally, Red has informed me that he will be attempting to kill sinjin toNight, and I've done nothing to dissuade him.

Sinjin may be protecting me or may be self-protecting toNight. I'm not certain which.

If sinjin CAN self-protect, she cannot be a Chain. However, I received a PM on the main board indicating that she was protecting you (ed).

Which is what we wanted you to believe. Our suspicion was a kill and Oredigger reversal would be directed at me.

or you were wanting to take a free shot at sinjin