Spoiler Discussion

[Frank]

Oh, but one thing. Your game, your call, but here's my unsolicited 30 cents:

I would clarify the end-of-Day results. I understood them perfectly, but I have perfect knowledge. The Town is reading it as inconclusive and I don't think that was your intention. Rysto is already speculating on one-shot Scum powers and such.

[sachertorte]

Oh. I wouldn't say I'm stressed about balance. Obsessed maybe.

And I did clarify Oredigger's reveal. Obvious is never nearly as obvious as we think it is, is it?

[sachertorte]

Interesting point about Zeriel though. I didn't think about the lynch implications. I'm kind of glad I didn't. I felt that if I removed MHaye, removing Zeriel for the same infraction was the fair thing to do.

[zeriel]

Also, it's going to be a lot harder for scum to push the Drain Bead case without me around.

Nice to see I'm still halfway decent on the radar, anyway, even if I'm distracted by some happy and sad family issues.

[sachertorte]

Rysto is an interesting character. His lie was well motivated, but kind of misses the point. A true self-protecting Doc doesn't need to announce that he is self protecting. I thought it was a strange thing to do, but even stranger is Rysto has opted to not protect anyone this Night. I thought he would at least try and protect Cookies to keep as many confirmed around as possible, but he seems to think blocking scum would reveal his deception to them and lead them to killing him. Why he thinks this is bad, I'm not sure, but that's what he said.
I love how everyone looks at the game differently.

[amrussell]

Yeah, I'm not sure I follow that. If he successfullly protects Cookies he'll have excelled in his job. Even he's killed the Night after.

[sachertorte]

I can possibly see his point if he were protecting an unknown, but saving a mason would be huge for Town at this point. They would enter Day 5 with 4 unlynchables instead of three.

[texcat]

[totally clueless]It's a good thing the scum killed me. I would have probably gone after Meeko toDay and then Ed next. [/clueless]

[amrussell]

I'm wondering if scum are going to skate toDay. I'd have thought there'd be more pressure on Tom at least, but town are being very disorganised about restating cases. A bit of systematic vote analysis and case review would give a lot more shape to the Day. I know it's easy to say from this position, but I think they're drifting again, having come quite close to picking out the remaining scum over the past Day or so.

The votes are spread out rather too - this might actually be good in the long run because a close vote or late voting might well flush out some scum.

[sachertorte]

Scum are basically doing nothing and Town aren't holding them to the fire for it. I like to attack 'clean nosers' but Town generally doesn't. I understand the reason though. (1) active players are more noticable (2) 'clean noser' is a rather spurious charge.

Right now the 3 unknown Townies are arguing and the 3 unknown Scum are saying little to nothing.

[texcat]

WTF? Gosh, I am sorry that TomScud has given up. I sure hope my calling him out for being nipping at my heels didn't have anything to do with it. I actually seem to overcompensate for my OMGUS suspicions and give those who vote me the benefit of the doubt. He's a good player; this doens't seem like him at all from the little I've seen.

[amrussell]

I'm guessing, but I imagine a large part of his discontent was due to Maha and Skeezix bussing him. As he (and sach) pointed out, they've been relatively inactive, and then pop up to bus him when he's under only a little pressure. Most of his flame out was aimed at them, and to be honest, I can see where he's coming from. With a bit of effort, they could have pushed special ed, or meeko. But instead they hung him out to dry. It might pay off in the long run, but it might not. Flipping Tom has already pointed the finger at Skeezix for the Day Three vote, and will doubtless show up some relationship with Mahaloth. (Not least his persistent bussing).

More and more, I'm thinking that bussing is a tactic to be used sparingly. and that leading cases against townies is less suspicious than generally thought.

[Frank]

Apr 22, 2010 3:40:58 GMT -5 amrussell said:

More and more, I'm thinking that bussing is a tactic to be used sparingly. and that leading cases against townies is less suspicious than generally thought.

Really, because bussing Scum is about to work brilliantly in this game. Tom's flameout (and more on that below) has the remaining Townies absolutely cold stone fucking certain that Mahaloth and Skeezix are less likely to be Scum than ed, Drain, or Meeko. The bussing effort by Mahaloth and Skeezix, coupled with the way Tom "lambasted" the two of them just before giving up (or "giving up", again see below), is almost certainly going to win the game for the Scum, unless Rysto pulls not one but two rabbits out of his hat.

And here's my fearless prediction: I think Tom is bullshitting about his level of frustration. I think his flameout was a gameplay tactic, and it's a really effective one (although one that I, personally, would consider a bit out of bounds for my own use). Because he sounds so personal, so furious, at Skeezix and Mahaloth, people will guess that he can't possibly be team-mates with both of them. He's trading himself in - and he was going to be lynched eventually, it was inevitable - for a higher chance of at least one of those two players surviving through endgame. Which is all he needs.

Scum bussing Scum most likely just won the game for Scum.

[sachertorte]

I don't think Tom was making things up. He's posted in the Forbidden Thread about his general frustration about Mafia in general. He doesn't plan on playing again. I don't think his actions were calculated. He simply wasn't having fun anymore.

I don't think the bussing will cause much a shift in how people look at each other. Ed and Meeko and Drain were all over each other before Tom did his thing. They simply can't let go of their views. I think Red and Mahaloth's low profile is more of the reason than anything Tom has done.

Guiri is the only one who had a read on both Red and Mahaloth and is reconsidering due to Tom's actions, but he is openly acknowledging the "bus" possibility.

[sachertorte]

I did a review of posts and honestly, I probably should remove Red Skeezix too. On Day Five he had 3 posts:
(1) acknowledging that he hasn't been posting (doesn't count)
(2) Post with some content and a vote
(3) Post immediately after post (2) with a one-liner, about 10 minutes after (2).

I don't know what to do. It's not all that fair to remove him. Then again, it's not all that fair to NOT remove him. Gah.