The Win Conditions

[Frank]

Please read about the Unique Game Mechanic before you read this:

The win conditions in this game might be generic, and they might be... funky. To wit:

TOWN: Wins when all Deadites are gone, and all third-party agents are dead or neutralized. Simple.

DEADITES: The standard would be:

1. Win when living Deadites outnumber Town (with living Masons) or have the same numbers as Town (with all Masons dead).

2. Another option might be to tie the win condition somehow to the number of players turned into Deadites (ie, when the number of human players turned into Deadites exceeds the number of living human players, the Deadites win if any of their number is alive). This would be a very complicated mechanic, probably not worth using, and would probably require the existence of ways to permanently eliminate humans-turned-Deadites.

An interesting compromise solution would be to make the Deadite win condition identical to #1, above, but count each human-turned-Deadite and dead-Deadite as 1/4 of one Deadite for the purposes of determining win condition.

So, let's say we start with three Deadites and 12 humans, for simplicity sake, with no power roles.

Day One the Town mislynches. 11H - 3D. Night One the Deadites kill a Townie. 10H-3.25D. Day Two the Town mislynches. 9H-3.25D. Night Two the Deadites kill a Townie. 8H-3.5D. Day Three the Town kills a Deadite. Yay! 8H-2.75D. Night Three the Deadites kill a Townie. 7H-3D (2 living, 4 undead). Day Four the Town mislynches again. Dang. 6H-3D (2 living, 4 undead). Night Four, the Deadites kill a Townie. 5H-3.25D. The Town is, in essence, at Lynch-or-Lose. If they mislynch, it's 4H-3.25D, and that Night's kill brings it to 3H-3.5D - a Deadite win.

So, absent the intervention of any power roles at all, that's four mislynches required for a Deadite win.

Under normal circumstances, starting with 12H, 3D, it would take five mislynches. So this idea would be slightly pro-scum, but if measures existed to ameliorate it, the effect would be modest and could generate some interesting strategy.

[The Guy with the Gun]

Okay:
R's Big idea #1:

The PFK's: It works best if you've got a TON of people playing this game (ie: over 25). In which case... I LOVE the inclusion of Freddy Kruger. (My roomate in college is a HUGE Friday the 13 (he owned them all) and ED fan, I love Freddy; and so we've had marathons of ED many a times and of F13 that culminated in Freddy vs. Jason, a GREAT film).

So my idea: Lets change up the win conditions for SK's.
SK's normally have to be the last one's standing. But why not make it such that they don't have to worry about that?

Give the Townies a passive ability to defend vs. Freddy (so he doesn't just NK them all every night). But add in a 2nd SK too.

My idea:
Include Freddy in the game. And Add in Jason.
-Have them have this condition: each knows about the existence of the other, but can RARELY (like VERY SLIM) chance of killing the other, unless perhaps some other conditions are met.
-The goal will be, since both are nearly unkillable- the one who kills the MOST wins.
-Each night they pick targets, and hope to score a kill. Each time they're successful, their kill # increases.
-Some targets will be more resistance, some will be easier, etc, AND the deadites (the nonliving players still there) can COUNT too as easier kills (it's just they come back still, that way we have a high supply of bodies)

So the key is we've got 2 SKs that know about each other, but are working outside the game in just trying to rack up the kills, and perhaps the condition that the power roles are the "harder' ones to kill. So they may choose NOT to try to kill those players and focus on the easier Deadites and such. And if they cross kill, it could go to one or the other, and the idea of if they target each other, it's a waste, while the other sk might get ahead in kills.

They can choose at night to Kill a player, Kill a few deadites, block the other SK, or try to wound the other SK.

So it becomes a duel between the two of them outside the scope of the game, and no one really expects it.
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The bonus kicker?

Add a 3rd SK that neither knows about.
But one who's goal is ENTIRELY opposite of them. I'm talking about Jason vs. Freddy... VS. ASH. (Ah, if they'd only make this film....)

Ash could be a Serial Protector of sorts. Basically he slowly comes to know about the menaces to the Town, but cannot reveal them for some reason (and lets get around the damn shoe thing. None of that in here. He must be silent on the issue period). But he can use his Boomstick and Chainsaw abilities to "protect" groups of players from the advances of Freddy AND Jason (this is why the already deadites would be easy prey for F and J, as Ash wouldn't protect those players at all and that's easy pickings).

-So Ash can have a whatever ability, perhaps killing off deadites or such, or the "It's a Trap! Get an Axe!" protecting ability each Day or something to deal with the Evil Dead that night. However, at Night, he beefs up his role, as his goal is to save AS MANY people as he can from F and J. Perhaps setting up traps in people, so that if F/J target them, they take damage (this way Ash can attack the SKs without knowing the names of them. He'd only know that a trap/protect was successful.


If this is the case, Jason shouldn't be hurt from Lynchings. He should just get up and continue onwards, everyone can think he's a deadite, but he's not under any demonic controls. But perhaps Freddy could taunt him at night? Some way to block him or steal his kills? Not sure. In my mind, I'd give Freddy more powers, but give Jason more Resistance to kills and such. And Ash maybe could survive the attacks a few times from each of them as well.

Freddy- can take 2 night attacks or such
Jason can survive lynch/NK up to X times? But can be roleblocked and such?
Ash- able to slowly stop these guys in various ways over time through different methods?

It's grandiose, it's complex, and it'll make the game VERY Bloody.
But I think it'd be kinda cool.

Your thoughts?

[sachertorte]

I like the idea of a game within a game. I think the two SK's should have valid and invalid targets. Maybe half of Town and Scum are Movie characters that survived the movie and therefore can't be SK-killed. Then the game of who can pile up the most kills gets a bit more interesting.

SKs can't kill each other.
SKs can't be nightkilled.
SKs can't kill Movie survivors.

Their goal is to kill as many players as possible.

Winner is the killer with the most kills. Tie equals double loss.

[Frank]

Jul 11, 2008 9:02:43 GMT -5 sachertorte said:

I like the idea of a game within a game. I think the two SK's should have valid and invalid targets. Maybe half of Town and Scum are Movie characters that survived the movie and therefore can't be SK-killed. Then the game of who can pile up the most kills gets a bit more interesting.

SKs can't kill each other.
SKs can't be nightkilled.
SKs can't kill Movie survivors.

Their goal is to kill as many players as possible.

Winner is the killer with the most kills. Tie equals double loss.

That's a pretty cool idea. Color-wise, it might be problematic, since technically there's only one person who survived the first movie, but we can get around that.

So, would the SKs exist entirely independent of the other win conditions, such that neither's condition is strictly exclusive of either the Town's or the Scum's?

[sachertorte]

Oh, I was thinking ANY horror flick survivor.

[The Guy with the Gun]

I'd would put the SK's as fully exclusive. (Just like the Joker, and the Riddler were- they didn't care WHO won Batman, as their win was more difficult and superseded those wins).

So the Killers really are only playing with themselves, and the town can only hope to survive the onslaught.


Hell, if you REALLY want to confuse them with Flavor, and not use Jason, make the other SK a freaking Predator.
Have it be Ash vs. Freddy Vs. Predator.

That'd throw 'em for a loop.

[sachertorte]

Town Win Condition: scum dead, SKs dead
Scum Win Condition: all killers dead, scum >= 50% population
SK Win Condition: alive, number of kills exceeds other SK's kills when (all scum dead, or scum >=50% population).

Something like that?

[Frank]

That sounds reasonable to me.