Howdy

[normalphase]

Ha! Wonder if he'll think it's me. I also mentioned I was in a clan with Skeez, IIRC. Well, let's see what develops.

[normalphase]

What do you know of any conspiracy regarding votes on Ed? He just PMed me saying there's going to be a run of votes of him, led by Oredigger and possibly a couple of his clan-mates. He said he didn't even know why he was telling me.

Peeker wants to take me to endgame with him. :love: Sounds like Skeez will not survive the day, which is certainly the simplest outcome.

[normalphase]

I now have Ed's change-day-action power straight from the horse's mouth; he's gone from being wildly suspicious of me to trusting me way more than is justified, but I suppose he's feeling kind of desperate.

You do need to do some serious mending of relationships with him if you want to keep him as a potential ally down the line. He believes that you and Oredigger (who also voted for him, which I hadn't noted at the time), along with maybe peeker, are planning a coup against him to take place sometime today. I've seen no evidence that peeker has any such intentions, but also no firm evidence that he does not. Oredigger is sounding more and more like a loose cannon and I REALLY hope that peeker has redirected him to Skeez whether or not Oredigger has agreed to make that kill himself. (I don't know if peeker even asked or just did the redirect and left it at that.)

In-thread, Ed reported having checked the truthfulness of someone's "innocence" statement and had it come back "true"; in private he stated that this person was fisheroo. (Note if this is the case, he lied to you about it being PMs only, potentially another sign of his strong distrust right now.) It's hard to come up with a scenario in which fisheroo was likely to be HoC under these circumstances, so I think I will switch you with her unless there's a reason not to. I do still wonder what the truth is as regards the lie detector thing, but I suppose that will sort itself out eventually.

Do you know what Ed's relationship with fisheroo is, if anything, or whether he had expressed suspicion of her in public?

[normalphase]

PM from Ed concerning you:

Peeker has privately told me that he's supporting me. There are 2 things that still concern him about me. One is the request that peeker be protected coming from storyteller. The other is his presence in a clan with Oredigger. It is most likely my paranoia running rampant. I took quite a shock when story voted for me earlier. I was counting on strong support from him. I'm still confused by what happened. I'm concerned that he wanted to take an early run at me, then, after checking for support realizing that he was going to come up short, changed his mind. Or, he could be telling the truth. He was getting misinformation about what I was saying and then realized he was wrong. (He believed I had claimed that I could investigate as many statements as I wanted to each Day.)

That should be "still concern me about him" up at the top, of course.

I haven't let on to Ed that I'm the source of much of your suspicion against him, via Guiri and Skeez; he doesn't appear to realize that I've even talked to those two, much less have them in my primary clan. I'm unsure if I should clarify things. It would certainly help you out (revelation of our tight connection aside), but I don't know that it would do anything good for me, with Ed or in general. I tend to think it would not.

[Frank]

OK, here's the deal. I think we can navigate this, and I don't think it will be difficult if we stay calm.

First, I have revealed to Ed and sinjin that you and I are close allies. I have also told them (truthfully) that the only other relationship I have is a clan that also includes Ed. I have promised (and intend to stick to the promise) that I will vote to keep Ed alive if he comes under any further danger.

I have also promised to reveal my power to Ed and sinjin toNight. If the Clan of the Big Idiot (my clan with sinjin and Ed) comes up as having two primary members at the Clan Reveal, we will know that neither of them is a Member in Chains. At that point, Ed's power becomes TREMENDOUSLY useful. It means that he won't have to take me on faith, and neither will you, anymore. I will post to their thread my full role PM, with a statement above it indicating that it is my full, complete, unedited role PM. Ed can use his power to verify this. At that point, you, he, and sinjin can all trust that what I have told you is perfectly true - a huge benefit to all four of us.

After that, we should pull in peeker, if we can. Here's why.

My existence provides a huge loophole to the Clan I choose to support. In most cases, a Clan may contain at maximum four players. In the endgame, two four-player Clans would ordinarily be deadlocked. But I allow you to have, essentially, a five-member clan, which allows extreme control over the vote.

If we add peeker as our fourth, and then conspire to keep Pleonast alive, we will be in really great shape toward endgame. We'll have a block of five votes - PLUS we'll have Peeker's ability to control Pleonast's power, which will boost us further (ie, peeker can force Pleonast to eliminate the vote of someone in Pleonast's own Clan). This means, if we can just narrow the field to ten, the five of us and Pleo inclusive, the game will be, essentially, over.

What do you think? Too ambitious? Is peeker too unstable to be a reliable ally in this plan?

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Not too ambitious at all; without long-term goals there's nothing to work for.

I like it, and I don't think peeker is too unstable, either, though there's no incentive just yet to tell him all. He wants to work with me; he's cooperating with you and with Ed and is removing Skeez for us; those should be enough incentives for now. About the only consideration I can think of is that it's *just* possible that some other HoC will at some point decide to do the same thing you have done, and who do you go to with a crazy scheme like that? Maybe the 'crazy' guy? You do want to get in ahead of the crowd, if there ever is one.

You'll have to do some talking to Ed about me, now, most likely; as I've said I've told him zippo about my doings, and certainly misled him by omission in a few cases. As long as the clan does come up two primary members it should not be an issue.

You may wish to tell him, in particular, that some of your conflicting information about him came through me, and the general circumstances of that -- play it as everyone involved was just concerned and trying to cross-check, and you jumped the gun -- so that if guiri or Skeez tells him more about me, there is no glaring contradiction.

I still like Guiri as a backup option if somebody gets killed (as is almost sure to happen) -- remember he has some sort of limited-use vote-controlling power himself. Ed had hinted that guiri might be helping him out in today's lynch (without a name, but easy to put together given what I know).

[Frank]

DEAR MODS - I know you're reading this - would it be considered out of bounds for me to give my log-in information for Ed's board to nphase, so that she can just READ these conversations instead of me reporting them each time?

[rysto]

May 26, 2010 11:09:33 GMT -5 Frank said:

DEAR MODS - I know you're reading this - would it be considered out of bounds for me to give my log-in information for Ed's board to nphase, so that she can just READ these conversations instead of me reporting them each time?

Sorry, that's explicitly not allowed.

[normalphase]

Why isn't Skeezix dead?

[Frank]

Well, peeker says that his Daykiller-who-we-technically-don't-know-who-it-is-but-it's-probably-Oredigger put in an order on Idle and didn't get peeker's message about skeezix until it was too late to change his action. I think peeker is being honest with me, but I don't think Oredigger is being honest with peeker. I think we should try to convince peeker to take a firm hand on Oredigger for the moment, but in the long run Oredigger needs to die, I think. Whatever he is, a Daykiller can play havoc with all of our plans.

[normalphase]

Skeez himself says that the Daykiller-who-we-technically-don't-know-who-it-is-but-it's-probably-Oredigger killed Idle for being a strong player who was rebuffing clan offers, and that Hal Briston (for being silent, though peeker says Hal's been telling varying stories) would have been the second choice.

peeker says he's protected for tonight, btw. (Wish I could be un-paranoid that it was Skeez who was doing the protecting.) Going to have to have a suggestion for Skeez to roleblock, a good one he can't wriggle out of and do something else.

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Oooooh boy, here's an issue. From Skeez:

This may mean that person is the Master Of The Deck Of Dragons. I do not know. In case I die, so I don't leave you empty handed, to the best of my knowledge the Day Killer is Mahaloth. It doesn't confirm it, but if you clan investigate him, you will find that he is in a clan called "Lords of Chaos".

Mahaloth? You're in a clan with Mahaloth, aren't you? I expect that is a definite lie? Bad news lying to your "primary" clan, Skeez, bad news. I expect Skeez is very tight with Oredigger right now, whether he's revealed as HoC to him or not.

[normalphase]

Holy complications, Batman, apparently Pleo is going to use his vote-cancellation on you.

[normalphase]

Drain plans to block Oredigger.

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(BTW the information on both Drain and Pleo comes from Guiri having just clanned up with the pair of them (and someone else) -- he's a bit bothered by their superficial openness, he says.)