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Post by sachertorte on Oct 22, 2010 9:58:53 GMT -5
The weird thing is, Tom Scud goes in with the little tidbit that scum have some info about a PFK.
Hopefully he realizes that it could very well be about himself and keeps his mouth shut!
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 22, 2010 10:01:55 GMT -5
Oh more headaches:
from Hal or Plankton (I get them confused):
"There's also the issue of the line in Maha's PM: "Please see the rules for formal definitions of "Town," "Scum," and "Third-Party" in this context." Guiri pointed out that he couldn't find any "formal definitions" anywhere in the rules for this game. I don't see anything either."
The universe really wants to fuck Mahaloth over doesn't it?
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 22, 2010 10:12:14 GMT -5
Now that I think about it more, I wonder how I would respond to the fact that Mahaloth's PM refers to rules that don't exist. It's hard to say since I'm spoiled, but it really doesn't make sense for scum to make up a role PM that refers to rules that don't exist. Seriously, how the fuck was that supposed to play out?
Mahaloth: "La la la la la. Oh, here's a good fake role for me, I'll say that I can find out the number of PFK or scum. Ooh nice. I better put in bizarre references to the definition of PFK and scum that don't exist in the rules, but instead of simply defining them for the purposes of my role, I reference them in the rules even though they don't exist."
If anything, Mahaloth's role PM should be evidence that he is telling the truth.
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Post by Frank on Oct 22, 2010 11:15:34 GMT -5
God, I don't usually screw up this much, do I?
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 22, 2010 11:20:52 GMT -5
No. It's a complex game. If I recall, I'm the one who told you to clarify what "scum" meant, but then never checked what happened.
The "member" to "guest" thing was just weird timing. Not to mention the unnecessary quoting of it.
When it is all over, you will laugh.
But the universe clearly wants The Census Taker dead.
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Post by mhaye on Oct 22, 2010 12:48:14 GMT -5
I feel somewhat sorry for Mahaloth. It did occur to me that your membership might have expired.
However, by lynching him they verify the truth of his report, a verification they can't get any other way. So it might be worthwhile doing so.
Oh, and this game is the twelfth to exceed 2,000 posts (M1 was excluded from this research because, bizarrely, it's not in The Game Room, and I'm too lazy to fish it out of MPS). But right now it's still less than one-half the size of the largest ever game, which I don't think this will beat.
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Post by Hoopy Frood on Oct 22, 2010 13:36:57 GMT -5
I don't know that my subscription has expired (I haven't gotten a notice or anything), but I'm showing up as a Guest so I guess it has. Dammit, I'm really blowing it as a moderator here. I lost my membership from not being informed it was expiring either. The board has apparently stopped auto-sending expiration notices. I don't know why this is, since it used to send out the notices. There are mutliple ways to do this which vary from board to board. (I've only been admin for a brief time on proboards.) One way is to create a user group called "spoiled" that only has read access to this board, and put all the spoiled in that group. That should prevent anyone not in the group from seeing anything on this board, but can still see the other game boards on this forum. At least, that's how some message boards work. What I've always done as admin of boards in the past (and currently) is to logout and test security and/or create a dummy regular user and see what it can do. |
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Post by Hoopy Frood on Oct 22, 2010 13:39:20 GMT -5
Oh, and this game is the twelfth to exceed 2,000 posts (M1 was excluded from this research because, bizarrely, it's not in The Game Room, and I'm too lazy to fish it out of MPS). But right now it's still less than one-half the size of the largest ever game, which I don't think this will beat. The largest ever game for posts was Malazan. Of course, the vast majority of those posts were only seen by a subset of the populace. For Malazan 2--whenver that might be, we really have to come up with a better (and standardized) OOG communication mechanism. |
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Post by mhaye on Oct 22, 2010 14:11:25 GMT -5
The largest ever game for posts was Malazan. Of course, the vast majority of those posts were only seen by a subset of the populace. Indeed. I apologise, because I was restricting my comments to games on the SDMB only, but didn't say so. Once you leave the Dope, games are routinely played in multiple threads, and I just can't be bothered rooting them all out, estimating the number of duplicate posts and so on. The biggest Dope game was the Cult of Sekham. But yes, Malazan has to have generated more posts and PMs (oh, the PMs) than any other. |
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 22, 2010 15:02:15 GMT -5
The whole Drain Bead as Vanilla is sort of my fault too. Originally the Librarian did not target anyone at night. The power trigger was supposed to happen if the Librarian voted for a Deadite lynchee first. I objected to the real-time requirement as that meant the Librarian would need to be online at Dawn to make the power possible.
Storyteller changed it to a night selection, which isn't technically a target since Drain Bead doesn't actually interact with the selected player. But the Vanilla label persisted.
Ooops.
I'll also state that thinking Drain Bead is scum for the "Vanilla" in the PM is silly. Scum would absolutely not make that mistake in writing their own PM. Vanilla obviously came from storyteller. Town would post as is. Scum would change it.
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Post by catinasuit on Oct 25, 2010 7:50:58 GMT -5
Given that one of the scum was marked out last Night, I wonder if the town would have preferred the kills to go through and let a townie go in return for a scum death.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 25, 2010 9:22:54 GMT -5
Theoretically, it shouldn't matter. The "marked" scum should still be "marked." Whoever was planning to kill a scum has just as much reason to do so the next night. It's possible that events of the Day could change the decision, but generally, more information is supposed to lead to a better decision.
Also, the killers are 3rd Party, not Town, so preventing them from killing is the correct move.
Also also, the fact that one of the killers got replaced is an anomaly. It's a shame if scum get a reprieve simply because Guiri had to be removed, but there really isn't anything that can be done about that.
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Post by telcontar on Oct 25, 2010 10:12:36 GMT -5
I think you a biased by the fact that scum have figured something out and are correct about it. (1) If scum suspect Guiri is PFK, that is only suspicion. Do they have conclusive proof? (2) Telling Town that they think Guiri is PFK doesn't do anything. Town isn't going to believe anything scum tell them. Even if they state a compelling case against Guiri, unless there is hard evidence, and not merely the "I solemnly swear" by a scum, Town shouldn't believe it. This was my logic in not posting. For all I knew, Guiri was a watcher and revealing him would only expose that we also had a watcher who had targeted NAF. Also, the WIFOM aspects etc. I asked in the scum thread for people's thoughts but got virtually no response to it. Not really sure what was up with that. At this stage in the game, we need third parties. Town has power roles coming out of its ears. I'm just glad guiri left, he's been shooting a little too well. re Idle: I actually would have played that almost exactly the same as town. Idle's behavior prior to the role reveal was scummy and his logic in targeting wanderers, guiri, and myself was flawed . He may have tagged players who were anti town, but he was just lucky. Certainly wanderers and myself had no reason to be power role fishing and were only going after him because his about-face was highly suspicious. |
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Post by astralrejection on Oct 25, 2010 10:30:56 GMT -5
I'm amazed nobody actually town pointed that out on the main boards. I wrote you my thoughts about him on the scum boards, and I agree that pretty much everything he did struck me as incredibly scummy... and I KNOW he's town. I can't believe nobody else in town had an issue with it.
I also agree with you that our scum board could have used more communication. I tend to type all of my thoughts, no matter how terrible (like my half-baked scum turncoat claim idea) in there, and with the ability for day talk in the thread, we could have been plotting all day long. Hell, we could even have each other proof-read troublesome posts for anything that might strike town as scummy.
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Post by sachertorte on Oct 25, 2010 10:33:40 GMT -5
I actually would have played that almost exactly the same as town. Idle's behavior prior to the role reveal was scummy and his logic in targeting wanderers, guiri, and myself was flawed . He may have tagged players who were anti town, but he was just lucky. Certainly wanderers and myself had no reason to be power role fishing and were only going after him because his about-face was highly suspicious. I disagree. I think Idle was not only accurate in ID-ing you Wanderers and Guiri (off on Drain Bead, but understandably so), but also had decent reasoning. Others had questioned Idle Thoughts, but not in the same way the four of you did. To say Idle was 'just lucky' completely ignores his reasoning. It's subtle shades that separate Town from Scum, and Idle was very good at seeing the shades. You can't argue with the results either. |
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