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Post by meeko on Apr 15, 2012 22:37:34 GMT -5
Then again, isnt town being [relative] extremely anti-town for this game? When you get down to it ?
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Post by chronos on Apr 16, 2012 0:18:09 GMT -5
Passively, at least. Folks certainly aren't putting in as much effort as they could.
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Post by Frank on Apr 16, 2012 9:11:03 GMT -5
A few things:
1. Are there any objections to my decision to modkill peeker if he doesn't show up by end of Day? I know it's not a great situation, but I feel like having a player who is not playing is wildly anti-game, it's far too late for subs, and it just isn't fun having this situation hanging over things.
2. I can't believe the Town won't kill texcat. BillMc is Scum and he is proposing the most rational Town approach, but they won't go with it because they want to force the Scum's hand... but the Scum don't need to do that yet. By the time Scum get around to killing texcat the Town could be wiped out. Figure there are nine left now: two Scum, one PFK, one 3rd party survivor, and five Townies. If they mislynch toDay, peeker is modkilled, and then there are two Town deaths toNight then toMorrow opens with texcat, Bill, Gadarene, SBrown, and one Townie. At that point, Town cannot realistically win. The simplest thing would be for Bill and Gadarene to reveal themselves, team with SBrown, lynch texcat, and then kill the Townie in the Night for a Scum win with SBrown along for the ride.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 16, 2012 11:04:04 GMT -5
A turn for the worst for town:
D1: 19 town, 6 scum, 5 3rd, 1 pfk. town needs to eliminate 7 players (= 6 scum + 1 pfk); scum needs to eliminate 19 players (= 19 town - 6 scum + 5 3rd + 1 pfk). Town advantage +5 (= 19 - 7*2).
With lynch of 3rd: town 7 (6+1), scum 18 (19-6+4+1). Town advantage +4.
With Day kill of scum: town 6 (5+1), scum 19 (19-5+4+1). Town advantage +7.
D2: 18 town, 4 scum, 3 3rd, 1 pfk. town 5 (4+1), scum 18 (18-4+3+1). Town advantage +8.
With lynch of 3rd: town 5 (4+1), scum 17 (18-4+2+1). Town advantage +7.
D3: 17 town, 4 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. town 5 (4+1), scum 15 (17-4+1+1). Town advantage +5.
With lynch of scum: town 4 (3+1), scum 16 (17-3+1+1). Town advantage +8.
D4: 14 town, 3 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. town 4 (3+1), scum 13 (14-3+1+1). Town advantage +5.
With lynch of town: town 4 (3+1), scum 12 (13-3+1+1). Town advantage +4.
D5: 11 town, 3 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. town 4 (3+1), scum 10 (11-3+1+1). Town advantage +2.
D6: 9 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. town 3 (2+1), scum 9 (9-2+1+1). Town advantage +3.
D7: 5 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. town 3 (2+1), scum 5 (5-2+1+1). Town advantage -1.
This looks like lynch or lose for town right now. I'll assume peeker is out, if they're not it'll delay things by a half-cycle.
Best case...
D7: 5 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. Lynch the pfk, 1 town killed.
D8: 3 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 0 pfk. Lynch scum, 1 town killed.
D9: 2 town, 1 scum, 1 3rd, 0 pfk. Win with scum lynch.
Worst case...
D7: 5 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. Lynch town, 2 town killed.
D8: 1 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. Scum vs pfk, hard to say how it'd go.
Middle cases...
D7: 5 town, 2 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. Lynch scum, 2 town killed.
D8: 2 town, 1 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk.
Lynch scum, 2 town killed. =>
D9: 0 town, 0 scum, 1 3rd, 1 pfk. Pfk win.
Or lynch pfk, 1 town killed. =>
D9: 1 town, 1 scum, 1 3rd, 0 pfk. 3-way 3-handed.
Bottom line: assuming peeker doesn't come back, if town does not lynch texcat on Day Seven, it's basically game over for town.
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Post by cometothedarkside on Apr 16, 2012 12:26:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with killing off Peeker. If Gad ever gets lynched he's as good as dead anyway. And I hope he's ok.
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Post by chronos on Apr 16, 2012 12:36:51 GMT -5
Personally, I would have modkilled him already. You did warn everyone at the start of the game that nonparticipation would be punished.
And they really, really need to kill TexCat. I think that the existence of third parties, especially PFKs, really throws off peoples' thinking. Everyone keeps on thinking about the game as Town vs. Scum, when it's actually Town vs. Scum vs. PFKs. Yes, you can argue that the PFK is the Scum's problem, and that Town should therefore not kill PFKs, but you could just as well argue that the Scum is the PFK's problem, and that Town should therefore not kill Scum. Sure, the ideal case for any faction is for the other two to kill each other off, but you absolutely shouldn't count on that happening.
What's especially bizarre this game, is how we've had so many people falling all over themselves to lynch third parties, and yet being reluctant to kill PFKs. That's exactly backwards. If you do insist on casting the game as two factions, you should consider PFKs to be Scum, and benign thirds as Town. A lynch of a benign third is a mislynch, plain and simple, since it brings Town no closer to their win condition, but does bring Scum closer to their win condition, exactly as much as a lynch of a Townie would. A lynch of a PFK, by contrast, does further the Town win condition.
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Post by meeko on Apr 16, 2012 14:34:34 GMT -5
So, the elephant in the room for me, is that I am me. Namely, that Is, I can't shake my playstyle for better or for worse. [[Who am I kidding, there is no "for better" when it comes to my play, apparently.]]
You guys know this. You guys KNOW this so well, that you sum me up to "Meeko being Meeko".
And I ask you guys, is this not a Double standard? At what point will you guys actually take "Meeko being Meeko" as "Meeko being Meeko" ?
Either you guys can tolerate me being..... off. Or you can't. And seeing as how I've been with this group for what, a good 3 years now? I would like to think that you guys CAN tolerate me on a certain level.
Regardless of this game, or any other game by itself, I do think I edge out on top of being an average player. If nothing else, my classroom participation should bring my "College C" up to a B- right*?
What I am saying is, at a certain point, don't you have to Metagame? Esepecially with those players that are a bit off? What is the converstaion with Pleonast, Chronos, or Peeker, and where am I amongst that?
*True story. It's never good when your Statistics Professor knows you by name, and you get nearly all the questions he throws at you in lecture wrong. Then again, it Does [and frankly did] help you get your GPA to a point where you don't need to see him ever again, and can go re-take Economics instead of Finance again.
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Post by meeko on Apr 16, 2012 14:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 16, 2012 15:14:09 GMT -5
Meeko, from one idiosyncratic player to another:
By all means keep playing the way you think is best for your team. (I certainly do.) But keep in mind that other players are doing the same thing.
The mafia standard is "lynch players you think are likely scum". If someone decides to "lynch players that are likely scum, except for PlayerX because of past history", then that is a double standard. And it's also meta-gaming at it's worst.
So, yes, other players need to improve their play, but it's a bad play for them to ignore actions they think is anti-town.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 16, 2012 20:05:57 GMT -5
@ Pollux. Since you were town, you probably never got my Day 1 message. If you'd been third party, would you have joined us? Maybe, it depended on which of the third-parties I was. If I had been Riddler or Solomon Grundy, probably. If I had been anyone else, probably not. |
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Post by cometothedarkside on Apr 16, 2012 21:33:29 GMT -5
Is that true though? I need to refresh my memory of the voting history. So that would only apply to Hal and sinjin for Day 1. And just sinjin and scathach for Day 2. Mahaloth only ever garnered one vote, from Archangel. So must of the third-party voters are either already dead or not town. |
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Post by meeko on Apr 16, 2012 22:37:20 GMT -5
The mafia standard is "lynch players you think are likely scum". I was thinking it was "lynch player you think are most likely to be Meeko." |
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Post by chronos on Apr 16, 2012 23:45:44 GMT -5
If that were the case, how did you make it to Day Six?
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Post by innerstickler on Apr 16, 2012 23:58:30 GMT -5
Why are you excluding dead town, cookies?
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Post by cometothedarkside on Apr 17, 2012 1:07:18 GMT -5
I was assuming that Chronos was lamenting at that behavior in the currently living players.
Maybe I've been dead longer than it feels. I think I would have been happy to lynch Texcat on Day 5, and back then I think most townsfolks just needed a little nudge to take her out. Which is probably why I'm dead, I guess.
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