Spoiler Discussion

[catinasuit]

Just as an aside, for anyone who enjoys very good Batman Fan-fic and hasn't read it before:

try catwoman-cattales.com/

and try not to waste too much time.

[catinasuit]

Anyone think Pleonast is also going to be the best target for texcat as well?

[Frank]

So reviewing the probable fallout of Pleonast's play, it would appear that he has done the Town a huge service - he did far more to advance the Town win condition than his own. If things work out in the way it appears they will, the Joker will be removed from the pool (net of pro-Town, in my opinion, given that he was likely to kill more Townies than Scum). The Town will lose no players, and have no outed power roles. And the Scum will be down a useful player for no real good reason other than that the player in question annoyed Pleonast. Let's see if the balance can survive a swing this huge on the first Day.

As for Pleo, when you get in here:

I am seriously at a loss to understand how you thought this would work out any way other than the way it did. Use your powers efficiently and you could have gotten to 10 kills by dawn of Day Six - and of course, though you didn't know it, you could have gotten posthumous help from Harley Quinn under the right circumstances. Not easy, but by claiming on the first Day, you guaranteed your own loss. No Town is ever going to let a claimed third party player whose win condition admittedly includes killing lots of people survive long enough to achieve that condition. Not ever.

[sachertorte]

With Pleonast promising to kill Ed, don't you think Scum will attempt to save Pleonast? Very interesting dynamic either way.

If I were Pleonast, I would be pressing for Town to kill me later. For all they know there might be a role that can distinguish 3rd party from PFK. I think we've had those before.

I'm kind of rooting for Pleonast to kill Special Ed. I'm not sure why, but I would find that amusing.

[sachertorte]

And I'm totally skimming this MoFo.

[sachertorte]

Way too much skimming on my part. Why is Chronos asking for only one sentence? They should just acrostic the entire damn role PM.

[renata]

You know, in restrospect, Pleonast and Chronos both doing what they've done toDay should have been entirely predictable.

[Hoopy Frood]

So assuming Pleo actually survives, it's kind of a no-brainer for Zasz to target him.

If Pleo uses the mask on himself, it leaves Pleo vulnerable to night kills after that, and the compulsory vig has just committed suicide.

If he doesn't, Pleo dies, thereby the Zasz didn't take out town, and if any scum watch Pleo, they'll see a likely vig, and likely target that vig the next Night, thereby Zasz again has outed himself for death.

Of course, deadshot should not waste the power on Pleo. Not yet, at least. And Ra's probably shouldn't target either, because they don't want to risk being seen by scum.

So Pleo's signed his own death warrant regardless of how this shakes out.

[Hoopy Frood]

BTW, the way Pleo words his posts, he's obviously studied some Game Theory.

Or he watched the TV show "Numbers". One of the two.

[catinasuit]

@storyteller: are you going to post any of the bruce wayne PMs in a seperate thread on this board?

[Frank]

Sure! He hasn't sent anything yet, though.

This acrostic stuff sure is riveting, isn't it?

Meanwhile, the Scum's approach to the claims is blowing me away, and it just goes to show you that you can't assume anything when you design a game. I gave the Scum four false claims, of which two were guaranteed safe and one was compromised. But I did this assuming that only three Scum players would need alibis at all! I assumed that, if it came to a name claim, Penguin and Catwoman would claim their own names. I even wrote both the Penguin and Catwoman PMs such that you could cut them just slightly shorter and have a solid town PM. My assumption was that Batman, Oracle, and Huntress would divvy up the four false claims and decide which would use the two safe ones and who would take a risk with the extra claim.

But the Scum appear to be planning to have Penguin (MHaye) use up one of the safe claims. Pizzaguy (Catwoman) is planning to use another, leaving Gadarene, Idle, and Ed to flounder - Ed's planning to claim Jean-Paul Valley (Azrael, I guess) as a third party. Which is... interesting, I guess.

But I can't understand why Penguin and Catwoman feel they need aliases in the first place. Both are solid members of the standard issue Batman rogues gallery, and Penguin has never in canon been anything but a dyed-in-the-wool baddie. Catwoman has had some moral ambiguity, but so have dozens of characters and I can't imagine the Town would use that as the basis for a lynch.

So weird.

[renata]

I'm not sure that Pizza, for one, has entirely yet twigged to the fact that it's tilted toward being a reverse mafia (canon good guys are scum). Which is entirely understandable given his own role. But what about the others? And why aren't those who are familiar with this game's predecessor saying anything?

[Hoopy Frood]

SBrOwn:

And I also felt the other possibility is why claim so early? I haven't played with Pleo before, and again, I don't really knwo his style, but claiming randomly on Day 1 like he did out of the blue seemed really crazy. Who does that?

The answer to your question is: "Pleonast".

[Hoopy Frood]

Oh, and I don't get why scum aren't just claiming bad guy roles, either.

Heck, with the exception of Batman, pretty much all scum could claim their roles flat out. After all, this is a storyteller game and story has a history of switching canon sides anyway. The only thing the scum didn't have going for them in the original was that all baddies were town/3rd party and all good-guys were scum. And they only had two legitimate baddy cover roles from the batman universe. The rest were from other universes.

Kudos to Hawkeyeop for still coming up with Killer Moth out of thin air. (He was separate scum originally and so had no cover role.)

[soundlyparanoid]

I kind of feel sorry for the mafia this game - they're starting out gimped by nothing but how the rolls turned out.

going to expect that texcats fakeclaim ain't going to fly over too well - even if it *does* her kills are now severely limited.

and there's the issue of two other town vigs. Don't think the manditory vig is going to take a vig claim without any sort of drawback too kindly.