Anarky's Diaries (SBrOwn)

[The Guy with the Gun]

Re: Message @ Apr 19, 2012, 6:19pm

This is... Interesting. I worry this is Entrapment by Town.
Thankfully those previous messages have been SUPER Scummy.
But it could be a 3rd Party trying to expose another 3rd. but that wouldn't help them out either- we could both win together if easier.

But still. It's a trap.
But for Who?
Do I risk it all for one more Day? I don't know if there's really 2 more scum....
Only one thing to do when you're faced with WIFOM. You drink it.
And hope you built up immunity years ago.


Message:

:bows: I am honored by that Compliment.

-If there are actually two of you: Make an allusion to Ro0sh in the post when voting. And thus it's LyLo.
-If one of you: Reference Arkham instead in your post with a vote.


My guesses for Scum:
Sinjin & BillMC*
*Hal if he's Lurking.

I just want to win my first game.

[The Guy with the Gun]

Night 7 Thoughts on Apr 19, 2012, 6:48pm

And the PFK has left the building. An excellently played game. And my first pick for who SHOULD win the Game.

That said, BillMC did a great job of dissecting her. I need the townie credibility, so yeah, unvoting and then voting for Tex is the way to go sadly. Plus, one less random killer out there. Though i doubt i woulda been her target. But why chance her thinking I was PFK. Risk v. Reward?

That said. The Message

I was hoping for a follow up. I kept their privacy, and was hoping they'd send a second missive. I suspect it IS scum, but it'd be ignant not to assume other possibilities as well.

Townie- the messages have been superscummy at times, so def. a Townie playing the long game. Worst Case Scenario. In which case, that one person deserves the Win.
3rd- Plausible. Could be a 3rd and a Scum teaming up. That said- I don't see them outing me for credibility- it's plausible, but again reward vs. Risk. If it's 3 v 3 toMorrow, they're gonna wanna end it rather than go another Night....

So yeah.

Am I really that close to the promised land? <_<
I don't dare dream the dream. Stage IV?
I never expected to make it ANYWHERE close to winning when i started this game. 30 other players. And me vs. ALL 30 of them basically.


Too bad Scum doesn't have an extra kill. If it was Final 5....
THEN the power would go to my head. :crazy:
I'd totally Consider Exposing myself and just mocking them until one of them convinced me why they should vote each other off.

Ha.

Anyways.
Back to the Game.
So yeah. Stage IV. I've never gotten this close as a Survivor role. I'm too blustery, too loud, and too abrasive to do it normally. And no one trusts the name Ro0sh.

Which shows that the Town has been complacent. Too many of them assumed SBrown has been a Pro-Town figure. This journal certainly shows that has NOT been the case. I've been scummier than many of the players around here.

But the Mafia Message.
She said she thought it was Ro0sh from the moment I claimed.
That's smart. That's good playing.

I was impressed. Correctly deduced I was 3rd (not that hard to do) esp. if Mafia. You know I'm not scummy, and I haven't been super pro-town.
And... you know I might be Ro0sh. That's the key one.

So who would suspect that though?

-Sinjin
-Hal
-Gadarene?

Least likely: Scathach, BillMC, Mahaloth?

BillMC though could be just that clever. If he played in that Blocky game (where Rysto won as an SK), then he'd be familiar with my "Make shit up" Role Claim. And might reconize it. But Sinjin who has played with me many a times, and I always think is scummy might recognize it too.

Hal is tougher- he could be genuinely busy, or he could be using that as an excuse, his playstyle has been scummy. But I dont see him as the most likely messenger.

So.
Who do I let win?

I still don't feel there's 2 scum left. That'd be mean 6 scum at the start. Which DOES fit the math actually. 1/5. And PFK being the 31st guy out. Which WAS my theory.


19 Townies
1 PFK
5 Scum
5 3rd Party (And scum obv. recruited one- my guess- Idle for the extra kill power?)
:Shrug:


Sinjin/BillMC is my guess though for ScumTeam. That or Sinjin Scatchatch maybe if Bill is Town though I get a strong scum vibe from him....

We'll see.
Yeah.
:crazy:

Let's hope they don't just NK me out of spite. Or that there's not a Townie with a hidden kill who just doesn't wanna take the chance.

Man. Lesson of this game:
1. Don't depend on just Names/"past play style" to get your through- LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THROUGHOUT THE GAME! My voting stuff is scummy as hell other than the PizzaGuy vote. Still proud of that one. Oh, and the BusSwerving one too. Poor whoever got Bussed. lol

2. Don't just assume Town is Best, and making enemies of your 3rd Party Players. You have got to earn my Loyalty. Just autolynching 3rds... sure you're a real tough guy when you've got the Numbers Town.
But if you come back and it's LyLo? Well then... we'll see who your real friends are then.


Anarky


-PS-
Yes, I'm still mulling over the idea that if said player above ACTUALLY does say "ro0sh" in the thread, I can just call them out, expose them and lynch them for SuperTown Cred, and make it go into Day 9:
4 Players left: 2 Town, 1 3rd, 1 Scum- And how amusing would it be then to Vote with the scum there
--> Of course, if that was what happened and I was scum- I'd kill the 3rd Party out of Spite and just say fuck it. But that's 3 vs. 1 then and you've lost all hope. That's a GREAT way to break someone's back.

-It all comes down to trust i guess.
Who trusts me more?

2)
Also. Town could effectively win if all 3 of them pick the same Lynch Target quicker than the two scum +1 PFK choose their target.

Best way to do it. Wait and watch for the team that gets 2 votes on them, then ALL Townies vote for the player who cast that first vote.

The way around this- Scum Do this strategy. Just wait for a Townie to vote, then another one to add to his vote. Then vote for the first Townie together, making it 2 and 2. But forcing one of those 2 players to have to unvote to vote the scum (thus making the Townie target "ahead" in votes" in a tie), and then hope for the 3rd Party moi) to hammer.

At least. That's what i'd do. :shrug: but I'm an old player, unfamiliar with the New Style of Mafia. No one cares about an old doddering fool like myself.

That said. Any chance Day 8 could be shorter? (I will be out of town Sunday/Monday)

[The Guy with the Gun]

N7 Night Action on Apr 21, 2012, 3:48pm

Lets put the Blue Urine Pill in Sinjin's Water.

She's just going to urinate Blue for the rest of toDay like you had said privately. She'll also wake up feeling refreshed and ready to take on the world today, specifically: She feels refreshed and powerful... almost as if she cannot be lynched toDay.


Something to that effect. But she still pee's Blue.

[The Guy with the Gun]

Alternate N7 Action (unused)

It was that for the night action or make a reference to Zur-En-Arrh being spray pained on the walls of the scenery for the start of the Day in NeoNGreen.


zUr-en-aRrH

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But I figured NO ONE would get that reference (Batman devising an alternate hidden personality should he ever get mindwiped or attacked, an alternative one that he would use to help him survive until he regained his normal functions). Because Batman is just that prepared.[/quote]

[The Guy with the Gun]

Day 8 Thoughts

So I'm back now in Town (after going out to look for apartments in my new home (Northern VA)) and ready to play the game.

Here's the tricky part.

Apr 22, 2012 11:09:20 GMT -5 @billsmcmillan said:

SBrOwn

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That's the Code word right there from my late-night messenger. The "vanilla" role as being scum. Good to know my instincts from like... WAY back in the Day rang true. BillMC: Scummy McScum.

So then.

Scathatch is dead. Bummer, I liked her resultations because anything she would have gotten would only help me out- no investigator at this point woulda had anything bad to mention about me. But I totally understand why Scum would want her dead. And it's a bit of WIFOM of who would the Doc protect and which Doc is the truth telling one.

That said. Today:
Final 6. WHOOOO!
If there's 2 scum left, its basically Game Over if 1 other person joins the Scummy Wagon. As a majority of 3 will let the scum take 'em out. So any wagon that quickly gets 3 votes- I'd be HIGHLY Suspicious of- especially if it's not really being contested. A warning sign would be if there are 5 votes [not including a last min vote switch] on a player by the end of the Day- that player is MOST LIKELY town. Scum are more likely to pull a 1-2 punch. One sets 'em up. The other lays low. Waits for a 2-2 situation, and then tries to force it to 3 the quickest. Once that player reaches 3 vote first, they're the ones up for the lynching. That's the idea goal for them. IF there is 2 scum alive. If 1, all this goes out the window, and it's basically Scum is playing as a PFK Survivor. He's laying low and trying to get a bandwagon going on without trying to get his hands too dirty.

My job in all this? If I'm the 3rd person and I'm helping scum- on a 2 on 2 situation I come in and I vote as the 3rd vote, and I don't remove mine, scum don't remove theirs, and the game is done.
Voila!
Achievement: Survivor Victory unlocked.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So... what ACTUALLY is going on ToDay?

Hal gets sideswiped with a HUGE BUSSING WoW post by BillMC, that's why I worried about Bill. I felt he was capable of making such a post, and I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by that ScumBus of epic proportions. It's basically slammed into Hal (who wasnt even voting for Bill), and then paints him in such a scummy light. Hal is TRYING to defend himself, but Bill['s keeping the Wine and paint nearby and smearing Briston's words and defense each time so he can't fight back.
That bus was so effective, we've already got 2 votes on the Bandwagon. Gadarene and Sinjin- one of whom is likely scum- the other... more likely to be a Townie who drank the wine, or perhaps a 3rd person also bribed back in the day- insurance for the scum team? Smart of 'em if it is. That said....

This leaves Me and Mahaloth not voting. Hal has already tried to switch to BillMC, correctly, but got smeared as an OMGUS vote which he's not defending well against. So the key?

Mahaloth and Hal need to both vote BillMC. AND the Non-Scum Hal voter needs to break with the Hal lynch, and vote for BillMC as well to make it 3-2.

That's where my job would comes into this mess.

Right now- scum are poised to win.
If i come in and VOTE HAL. That's a fuck-up. With 4 votes against Hal, Mahaloth will KNOW that at least 1-2 of the Hal votes are likely scum (unless he wants to WIFOM that both BillMC and Hal are scum trying to Bus each other to gain credibility).

So my current goal:
-make sure Mahaloth stays cool and doesn't freak out.
Best way to do it?

By actually doing NOTHING.
Hear me out:
-SBrown can cement the vote by voting for Hal right now.
--> Problem: 1. Super scummy when it's 4 on 1 in a 6 person game.
We know there isn't 3 scum alive. But the possibility of 2 scum is strong. The odds of the 2 scum being Hal/Mahaloth? Damn near impossible. Mahaloth is the most Townie, and currently not voting. So we have 5 voters of "unknown" alignments. of those 5 voters, we've got 1-2 scum in there.

If it's 4 vs. 1- odds that the scum are doing a bussing of each other? Also highly unlikely- the goal of a bussing is to smear both usually and try to make the votes 2-2 or 3-2. So as to create a fake "scumbuddy' who the remaining scum can vote for the next Day (as the guy who voted WITH the scum and thus might be the last scum).

So if it's 4 vs. 1- odds are there are 1-2 scum amongst the 4. Who gets the most scummy credibility? The Hammer. Which would be moi. By my voting- I ensured that the scum lynch goes through. Thus, 2 things will happen:

The townie person in the voting group of 3 will pull away- and vote for BillMC or Myself (and force Hal to vote for me to save himself) AND Mahaloth the Townie will get involved and vote for me as well, creating a 3 v 3 tie....

Here's where it gets tricky then. Scum can do 2 things- if two of them:
1. They can force the Win. 3v3, tiebreaker favors them. Lynch Hal the townie. It's 5 left, kill Mahaloth at night, and it's 4 left toMorrow with the 3rd Party (Moi) alive, and they win 3-1.
2. If they want to be dicks or feeling wishy-washy... they can unvote Hal (the 2nd scum obv. not billMC), and join the ROOSH Bandwagon. They kill the 3rd Party 4 to 1, gain credibility, and avoid looking super obvious as scum. Then it goes again 5 into the Night, and they kill one. It's then 4 left toMorrow, with Scum Victory (2 over 2).

The PROBLEM with that? I'm DEAD. And I don't get to share the victory. So fuck that risk!

3. This all assumes there's 2 scum. If there's 1 scum, then it's worse. We lynch Hal. Hal comes up Town. That means of the 4 voters on Hal, likely 1 is scum right? NK occurs, blah blah (likely mahaloth the confirmed townie), and we go to Day with 4 alive: They'll deduce there is one scum left, because there's a Day 9, and it's likely
1 scum, 1 3rd, and 2 townies or so on. Again, we gotta play the lynching game. If the two Townies feel the scummiest person out of the two is: NOT Bill (instigator of lynch), but instead SBrown (the Hammering Devicer "confirming" vote for the Townie).

Basically- that'll force Day 9 to be BillMC vs. Ro0sh. An epic battle of words, but not one I'd really like to hash out for 5 days. That's exactly what I'd like to avoid actually since the start of this game.

Because if they lynch me. Then it's final 3, BillMC goes into the night, and kills one Townie, and it's final 2, and scum win. Again with the SURVIVOR DEAD.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's my dilemma. I NEED:
-Two Scum alive.
-Both scum to continue voting Hal
-Hal/b] to have 3 votes on him at all times.
BillMC must be a better lynch target than myself during the Day toDay. Lest scum decide to play the long game out and lynch me instead for credibility and/or because there's only 1 of them and they need to keep surviving. If it's BIllMC as the last, I'm sure he's done the math and realized this option is possible for him to still win w/o my help.


So with all that knowledge (none of which will be posted to the Game Thread), what's a Gal to do?
-If I was Townie, this is EXACTLY the stuff I'd be explaining- the whole final 6, likely <3 scum, and we've got to convince the 3rd party to side with the Town- try to create a pool of 2-3 people who claim to be 3rd or townie instead (see if you can draw out a scum who fake claims 3rd). Basically set a trap for the 3rd.
----> I would also try to early on make a post explaining the whole "reaching 3 votes" issue, and thus try to tell ALL TOWNIES Should do their best to avoid being the 3rd vote on someone, and we need to spend the Day going through the targets or the 2v2 pool- likely one of the two is scum, and one is town, or at least examine who voted for each of the people- so investigate the 4 voters. Blah blah blah, you guys know how to play it Townie style.

Scum- we try to muscle through.
But 3rd party?

i have to sit quietly and wait for Mahaloth the Townie.
If he votes for Hal, I just don't vote, or I act confused.
If he votes for Bill, I'll vote for Hal immediately, and we go into forcing it through.

Scum team is on the Green, and we're putting. We can't try to force this too hard though- My move is to stay quiet until 48 hours left in the Day, then start to slowly smear Hal more and more. OR create a fake 3rd voting choice. Maybe Gadarene or Sinjin (the blue pee hence). But at the end, I pretend to WiFOM, and then at less than 12 hours left, I "panic" and then I vote Hal, and we try to close up this game.

This is the time for no errors, we can't be sloppy or overeager as a survivor to make it to the LyLo. This is what phase 4 is ALL about- each of the surviving players is there, and each of their votes matter.

So i want to keep it 3 v 1 as long as i can.

Other option- go 3 v 2. Wait a while. And then at the last min Switch to Hal. Again, that's a decision to make with 48 hours left in the Day. We need to avoid everything getting rough and choppy, especially with a long stretch of time to go. I cannot fuck this up. Not so close to the end.

Stay cool :crazy: and follow the Rules.

Cards left to play:
-Smear Sinjin and act clueless about the blue pee
-Ask stupid questions
-WIFOM- Device and all with Hal.
-Act confused/scared/panicky about it being almost lylo
-make stupid comments/trivialize things/act like confused Townie.
-"Flip a coin" approach to it all with less than 24 hours to go.

But i think i've got a plan set in place. Again it all depends on how Mahaloth reacts. We're all wolves hunting deer, and we don't want to spook the herd too soon. But if one bolts, we'll leap in for the kill and take out the sickly target. But at the same time, I'm not exactly willing to stick my own neck out so far as to get trampled by the herd either.....

-Ro0sh's Thoughts





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[The Guy with the Gun]

Thoughts Day 8.2

OR
:crazy: :crazy:

And so we end up 5 to 1 vs. poor railroaded Hal. That was a piece of work by BillMC.
I still remember Hal's play from one of the originial Werewolf games on the straight dope. Where he fake claimed a power role... was it Mason? Or Werewolf? Or something else just out there. But he fake claimed, and went to the gallows... and was discovered to be-
Vanilla Townie

And from that moment on, I was hooked on reading all the Doper Mafia Games. I was just in College, and hadn't really heard of the Dope other than my Roommate used to read it for the Cecil articles, and I wasn't really into message boards. But with Hal's actions, and then the Storyteller Godfathering of Werewolf 2.... I was hooked and an avid reader of the OG Players.

So it's only fitting the re-birth of Ro0sh involves the lynching of Hal Briston at the gallows once again. :crazy:

That said. SBrown has done remarkable well for herself this game. She's been the little engine that could. Other than Device Votes and self-votes (36 of 'em!), she's gotten 0 actual votes from other players for being suspicious- while simultaneously getting the MOST votes of any player in the game (From herself).

The Self-Bombing strategy was a nice one, and one strat I always wanted to execute as a "Mad Bomber" type role if I got it. Pollux's wifoming on the situation is exactly what I wanted, where the town second guesses the devices, because it's counter-intuitive for a bomber to "waste" a Night targetting himself vs. trying to get another target. But in retrospect, and in the long run- it was THE PLAY to make. If I was a PFK Mad Bomber right now, I could easily have targetted Sinjin or BillMC last night, and it'd be 2 devices + myself in a 6 person game. I'd control 50%, or if I just did it again one more time, and made it to toMorrow (which seems likely), again it'd be 2 devices and myself [hal being dead] possibly with 4 players left, again 50% majority.

I personally hope the Scum didn't try to play [if there's 2 of 'em] for the bus each other strategy. Only because I'd like to win sooner than deal with this for one more night. If it really is Bill and Hal trying to play for the long game- making it 4 people tomorrow with 1+1 vs. 2 townies. I can understand it, but that risks that Gadarene was completely honest about his no more protections in his role.
And if it was Gad and Hal playing the long game of scum and going with the Bus. Kudos to them, but again a mistake, because Day 9's lynch is most certainly going to come down to Gad vs. BillMC, and again it's up to the more fickle players.

I'd like to just think Hal is the innocent Townie doc getting bussed, and the Two scum are poised to take over this Town with the help of the innocent and "super-helpful Townie" in their corner. :crazy:


I played this game Pro-Town. I really did. At the start, after 2 scum killed early on, I felt pot-committed to helping the Town out. I had my own goals- and I did accomplish most of them (Didn't kill BillMC, but I'm not going to cut off my own nose out of spite ifI don't have to). Hell, I got to bus and take down PizzaGuy .
And it was nice to see that my bullshit reasonings and my playing it up as pro-townie actions, when really it's all just WIFOM, turned out to net me scum.
After that, it was all about the LyLo. Ro0sh's 4 Phases of Survivor Survival is what mattered, and that meant letting the Town easily take care of the scum. But there was still a slightly festering wound from that Drainbead lynch. I hated it. But the Town's logic and blood thirst there... it never sat well with me. I voted against her- namely to save myself, and to look as innocuous as possible. But really, I was watching another of my people being thrown against the gallows and strapped down for no reason. First pleo, then DB. The town was being foolish and losing sight of it's goals.
Then with the bussing and lynching of PizzaGuy.... I felt like that was my Kill more than the Towns. I tried once to lynch him (but the Claim saved his arse), but the next Day we tried again and put the screws to him.

And then we were able to execute a fun little swerve-bussing of SisterCoyote. I really went along with that for no other reason than because I could, and I wanted to see if I could start a swerve bus in motion. At that point, my actions may not have been the most towniest. But at that point, I didn't care. I was watching the Town fuck around and still continue to win, and not due to "Storyteller or Sachetort" style smart logic and plays, but more dumb luck and good fortune. Did they really deserve the W? But again, I felt pot-committed to the Town. They were my ticket out of Arkham, and I needed them more than they certainly needed me.

And then came Idle's gift on their lap. Another W for the Town. I was torn between disgust and happiness that I'd have a chance to possibly win with this Town. But again... I'm in Survivor Mode, not Townie mode- I was still only in Phase III of the game, and trying to reach Phase IV, not trying to win the whole damn thing. I needed to create a nice set-up for LyLo, which is all one can do as a survivor, while avoiding NKs.

That's why we took the chances we did- we had to claim, and we had to try to throw ourselves out there sooner rather than later. The goal is to get to Phase IV without the inevitable heat that'll come with a late claim, and I admitted to the Devices. At that point, I drew a line in the sand, and we had to go to verbal sparring and defending of ourselves vs. each of the attacks. Pollux put up a great fight, and it went back and forth, and I was pleased to watch him fall down to his knees, while I was able to continue onwards to my goal. Taking him out certainly made things easier for me... and then that fateful message.

That message was the first time I seriously considered my options.
I knew I was playing fast and dirty, but I was a survivor who didn't give a fuck. I needed to play under the radar and in your face at the same time, and I needed the quick W... which meant siding with the winning side- the Town. But damnned if I didn't want to spite the Town all along. Even in my fake role claim, I had edited out the part to make it look like I was 3rd party- two reasons. One to prevent the Town from getting suspicious that I was 3rd party. 2) To prevent the scum from getting any ideas and trying to recruit me.
But... :crazy: There was always a side that wanted to join up with Scum- it just seemed stupid and foolish at the start of the game.

But at LyLo?
It's the most magical time of the Seasons. When up is down, and down is up, and 3rd Parties, once so weak and useless, become powerful and game changers. It's the time when we can look back on the Town and the scum's behaviors... and really ask ourselves- who deserved to win? Who really was on my side the whole time? Who had my back?

The answer is simple to that last question:
I had my back all along.
And so now we wait...
For the inevitable...
5 versus 1*
Tsk. Tsk.

:crazy:
-R

*(And no townies have complained or thought this odd or suspicious?)


He's Back

[The Guy with the Gun]

Thoughts Day 8.25 OOPS on Apr 24, 2012, 11:31pm

Amusingly, I just realized that one of my windows was open and didn't go through.

I messed up on my "Vote Hal" post. I had written out a long critique of Hal's play, and then had quoted BillMC and Hal several times through it, and was using Hal's quote as well....

And then I posted the message. Only to realized I had written up half of it in a separate post. The rest of the post was still there in a different tab.

But i already posted up my posts thinking that all my words had carried across. Fuck!

And so I didn't want to post the other (initial) half of my defense just now, it's been an hour or two since I wrote/posted the 2nd half- what have I been doing in that time (writing up my confessions or you I must admit:D ). Crapola!

And then I panicked- did I send my confessions to you? Or post them to the actual thread?
My double checking shows that I posted them here and not to the thread, but still. That was fucking close, once again.

I can't wait for this game to be over.
No 3rd Party Scum Slips from me yet.
That would be an enormous fuckup.
And so, we quite posting, and make sure to check all windows closed and we didn't give anything critical away.
Ha!

[The Guy with the Gun]

Thoughts Day 8.3 (on rechecking/Final thoughts) on Apr 24, 2012, 11:38pm

~Sigh~
Yeah, I'm safe.

But damn. I really liked that post.

I made a reference to Dark Knight in it while discussing my device, basically describing the dilemma of the two boats- the Prisoners vs. the civilians each with detonators.

And then I proceeded to "Flatter" the creator of such a cool role given to me, aka "Storyteller" who created all these devices and all, and how smart and awesome they were to come up with such a cool power and make it seem so harmless.
Basically fed my ego for a while.

And i quoted my "fake" PM, which I had to go and look up the real quote saying :

1. The device is a tool of the masses to spread confusion and chaos, helping those in need and showing how people act under the best... and worst of circumstances. However, you know that true anarchy means power to the people at the expense of the self.

The gist of it being that my role allowed me to be an investigator, knowing my devices were harmless, I could see how people behavior under the threat of death and all. And then i "propped up" Pollux's corpse, and basically said he was a brave and selfless townie (subtly reminding them that it was him who was confirmed by moi) as thinking i was 3rd party but not scum (never mentioning the whole PFK suspicions he had), and I then noted that he and Bill MC were "good" role models vs. Hal's "bad" role modelling behavior.

I loved propping the Dead- it's a good scum tactic. Once they're dead, they can't defend themselves, you can ascribe lots of motivations and WIFOM pathways for them, and hardly anyone ever goes back and double checks your work.

But it's all deleted, and instead we only have the last paragraph starting off my Anti-Hal post rather than concluding it.
Oopsie.

Let's see if anyone even notices or cares?